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Elisabeth Robson's avatar

Love this post! Thank you Justin.

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Justin McAffee's avatar

Much appreciated. Felt good to get off my chest and onto the internet. :-)

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Gillian & Li'l Bean's avatar

Super Justin, thanks, I love the term post civilised life.

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Justin McAffee's avatar

With any luck… :-)

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Patrick R's avatar

I'm glad folks are saying it. Thank you.

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Loki Excelsior Smith's avatar

Well fucking put—this deeply lessens my concerns over where we are and poised to go. Over here where I’m at locally we’re on the right track but this might be the push some people need.

And I LOVE cities. Must be the energy, or something. I absolutely love cities, but I am inherently aware that’s gonna have to change. Sigh.

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Justin McAffee's avatar

I feel that. I used to. I know too much and frankly it’s ruined some things for me, including cities. 😂 But I get it… the energy is interesting in great cities.

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𝓙𝓪𝓼𝓶𝓲𝓷𝓮 𝓦𝓸𝓵𝓯𝓮's avatar

Feral is where it's at🕊🦭

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Jackie Feather's avatar

Exactly 💯 Justin ❤️🌳

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Kevin Hester's avatar

It's one hell of a journey we're all locked into.

Why don't all just try to help each other through this, whatever this is!

Peace out, as Alamu alykum!

https://kevinhester.live/2019/09/05/collapse-the-only-realistic-scenario/

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Erik Kvam's avatar

Exactly correct. The people who did the work recognized what they were dealing with, and decided to walk away from - and stop giving their personal power to - the pyramid-building, empire-building, narcissistic and necessarily incompetent elites.

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Justin McAffee's avatar

Well said… thanks Erik.

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Dr Dan Goyal's avatar

Thought provoking piece.

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Justin McAffee's avatar

Thanks for saying, Dr Goyal.

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Steve  Bull's avatar

Well put, Justin. It’s truly unfortunate that those driving the bus of ‘growth’ and ‘progress’ are deaf to such lessons (of course, they do profit greatly from business as usual). I also see this reflected in a lot of the academic literature that discusses ‘collapse’ and ‘resilience/sustainability’. The vast majority of academics appear to still be in the bargaining phase of grieving and can’t let go of the idea that complex societies are entirely unsustainable.

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Meg Salter's avatar

Slight reframing in disobedience. >> question every idea in your head about what is normal. Who put that thought there? Is it real? Who benefits? Who gets harmed? (Like Byron Katie’s 3 questions). Joke it very lightly, turn it around like a Christmas tree ornament. Then… act in a new way.

PS. I found growing some veggies and walking around the woods very helpful during COVID. Still doing it!

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Nessa Meshkaty, MD's avatar

Refreshing read. Thank you, Justin.

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Margi Prideaux, PhD's avatar

A brilliant piece, unpacking many myths. I love how you are reframing disobedience, too.

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Susan Langridge's avatar

So true Justin. Well argued. My only qualm is will we have enough forest left to leave the city and return to. The Mayans were lucky to still have, beyond the drought area a functioning ecosystem that could support them. Grow trees wherever you are.

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Justin McAffee's avatar

Good plan. I think we will have to face whatever challenges present themselves, including replanting forest gardens all over… while making do with permaculture or whatever stopgap measures are needed.

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Phillip's avatar

Great article! 🙏

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SUE Speaks's avatar

How sweet. Add little cottages with picket fences — and wells and outhouses — with people who learn to use bows and arrows so they can eat and axes to cut firewood for warmth. I am charmed.

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